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But this is not the case with all Pleasures: those attendant on

mathematical studies, for instance, are unconnected with any

Pain; and of such as attend on the senses those which arise

through the sense of Smell; and again, many sounds, and sights,

and memories, and hopes: now of what can these be Generations?

because there has been here no lack of anything to be afterwards

supplied.

And to those who bring forward disgraceful Pleasures we may reply

that these are not really pleasant things; for it does not follow

because they are pleasant to the ill-disposed that we are to

admit that they are pleasant except to them; just as we should

not say that those things are really wholesome, or sweet, or

bitter, which are so to the sick, or those objects really white

which give that impression to people labouring under

ophthalmia.[8]